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Post by dreazy on Jun 7, 2015 6:25:05 GMT
Lol you guys are seriously making this more complicated than it needs to be, im not a modder, im a youtuber who showcases you guys mods, its as simple as this, if you use someones mod, credit them, in the video, or in the description, or shit even the comment section, somewhere, i always credited, i use to not link directly to the downloads because i figured that was over stepping the boundaries, but now after this thread, i link to this forum every time, its easy as pie to find the mods you want from there, the end.
If a modder doesn't want his mods to be used in videos, (which i dont know why you wouldnt but whatever), he should absolutely explicitly in big bold letters state so in the OP of his Thread, cant get mad at ppl otherwise.
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Post by TheShadowGamerZ on Jun 7, 2015 10:28:32 GMT
Umm guys, i made my videos private so you might wanna delete those 2....
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Post by Kainzorus Prime on Jun 7, 2015 15:00:29 GMT
If someone asks me what's the mods I use, I tell them and link them. That's how it's always been, that's how it always will be.
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Post by xpreatorianx on Jun 9, 2015 9:24:34 GMT
PS360HD2 seems to have used my Sharingan eyes on a video without asking me... He credited me in the beguinning of the video, but not in the comments though. You are seriously splitting hairs here...For one, asking for credit just to have a mod in a video is pretty messed up. But that's my own personal opinion. But to say "oh btw someone credited me INSIDE the video but not in the description." - You got credit. You don't need your name plastered EVERYWHERE. Sorry but this burns me up. Why? Well for one - the rule about requiring credit for mods to be in a video to begin with automatically deters content creators and thus means the modder is much more likely to be ignored due to unfair restrictions. Plus two, requiring that videos be plastered with the credit like crazy just seems like you want to be an attention whore and seems really petty. Thus giving you a more negative appearance and ALL MODDERS from the community by extension! Remember, if one author is too rigid on his rules with his mod, it effects the appearance of ALL MODDERS! It only takes a few bad apples to spoil the bunch! I mean Skyrim modders don't implicitly require you to plaster their name all over your video on YT in order to use it. IIRC. And that community has produced 1,000x better mods then this community ever will unless we get a full mod SDK. (Which at this point is impossible. Well not impossible but won't happen.) Imagine this scenario... A guy posts a video (a mod showcase video in this case) in youtube. a subscriber sees the video and comments nice mods... and the youtuber replies with thank you. he doesnt credit the original modder and provide a link to the modder's page or thread... so all the modder's hard work's result is stolen by the youtuber. hope this made sense. we are not saying do not use the mods or stop making videos. just saying to give credits where its due. simple as that Sure, but this is a very specific scenario where the uploader claims ownership of the mod. Right now the rule also applies to anyone making gameplay videos for instance. Having to ask permissions from a bunch of mod creators can be prohibative, and generally seems like something that isn't desirable/ shouldn't be needed. I understand wanting to protect your work, believe me, but the pragmatic side of me says this isn't the best way of going about that. Yes, it would be great if video uploader provide attribution and llnk-backs, but if they don't I believe interested people will still google "dragonball xenoverse saiyan armor pan mod" and find the appropriate thread. I hope to upload a mod sometime in the coming month or so, and personally don't really like this prohibitive rule, so I would likely add a line stating "feel free to use, ..., attribution would be appreciated". Perhaps we could leave this kind of licensing to each individual mod creator? The rule could then change to something like: This just feels a lot freer and less restrictive for all parties involved imho! =) Cheers! Exactly.. I swear i wish I could post this message 100x over. It basically sums up my feelings on the entire issue surrounding REQUIRING credit for even gameplay/display purposes. I can personally guarantee that right now my xenoverse is modded to the hilt from a bunch of different modders. If I decide to upload some gameplay vids on YT - no one will be getting credit. I'll simply put a disclaimer saying I did not make these mods and direct people to this modding forum. Now why won't I give credit? Well in simplistic terms, it's because I'd literally have to dissect my game and mention EVERY modder I've used content from. At this point, it's WAY too much of a hassle JUST for some video footage/free promotion. Considering I don't plan on modding this game (I suck ass at all but programming) I have absolutely no need to worry about giving credit as I feel free promotion to the community as a whole is credit enough. Now if I showcase an individual mod (or several mods from an individual modder) - sure I'll plaster your name all over my vid. (now I don't mean offense at this particular usage of the word "plaster." I use it this time in a purely positive description of what I'd do.) but a general showcase of my modded game? Sorry...not wasting my time. Nor would I be able to remember exactly what mods I used and from who... PS: Also if my posts are coming off extremely rude/I seem like I'm being an asshole - I apologize. I haven't had ANY sleep for the last 3 days straight. So my "polite", "articulate" self is non existent. I'm usually able to articulate myself in a kind, respectful, and "politically correct" manner even on extremely offensive issues. But that side of me is dead atm.
PPS: I hope people are simply commenting/messaging YT users before they are reporting vids. Unless of course someone BLATANTLY steals your work, give them the benefit of the doubt unless they are being an ass. As reporting a video is definately not the best way to go. The content reporting side of YT is already a large infringement on users rights. Don't add to it please! |
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Post by Javituchi on Jun 9, 2015 11:59:16 GMT
You are seriously splitting hairs here...For one, asking for credit just to have a mod in a video is pretty messed up. But that's my own personal opinion. But to say "oh btw someone credited me INSIDE the video but not in the description." - You got credit. You don't need your name plastered EVERYWHERE. Don't take asumptions where there aren't. Did you see me asking them to credit me everywhere? No. I haven't... What I said was just a comment. If I would've been bothered by that, I would've stated it personally in my message, which I haven't, 'cause I'm not... In fact, if you see my response I left in his comments section of that video, you will see I even thanked him, and told people where to get my mods in case people wants them. I am fine for people to use other people mods and promote them, as long as they don't claim them as their own. Wether by naming the mod maker, or redirecting them here (if applies). As a YouTuber being myself, I know how hard it is to create videos, as I know how hard is to make mods too. So I am in the middle of both sides. Sharing is fun, but always respect and truth comes first, being from myself, or anyone else that does mods. They decide what policies they want for their mods. |
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Post by MasterJ360 on Jun 10, 2015 21:39:01 GMT
I just don't like the whole idea of purging people who use them in a video and nothing more. Sure theres nothing wrong giving credit to him/her or to the modding community, but asking for permission is abit too much
The mods are released in public if modders are too paranoid of their work being in the public eye then why release them? This is something the modder needs to prepare themselves before they do anything. If anything we are helping them spread their work for others to enjoy watching or to use themselves linking to the credit source. I used to watch and subscribe PS360HD awhile back but hes been using mods for a long time not just Xenoverse and he credits. Since I'm a partnered youtuber its kinda depressing to see another huge channel gain so many attention without trying so hard lol thats why I said "Used to" But yeah Youtube isn't a steal case atleast not to everyone who uses it. My channel is strong on the Modding side b/c thats what helped it grow in the first place. "Dissidia and Brawl Hacks" but trying to mix them with LP's for a unique channel. So basically be happy if we are using them b/c you or the site community will be credited either way. Asking for permission to use publicized mods just doesn't seem right its like they have copyright protection on them which they don't
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Post by Kainzorus Prime on Jun 11, 2015 0:07:37 GMT
I am fine for people to use other people mods and promote them, as long as they don't claim them as their own. I have yet to encounter someone who claims a mod used in their video as their own, if they didn't make the mod in the first place. They might not credit the author or give links to the source unless asked, but that doesn't fit the definition of stealing. At all. I'm also confused why people around here feel the need to have their name pasted everywhere their mod appears, when this forum is literally the first and probably only place you'll find the majority of Xenoverse mods on the net. Hell, it's the second result in google when you type in "Xenoverse mods". So unless it's one of the people who are keeping their mods behind a paywall before releasing them, I might understand they want to be credited to gather more people to pay them. Those that release things for free, don't really need incentive other than their own interest. |
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Post by Javituchi on Jun 11, 2015 12:50:49 GMT
I have yet to encounter someone who claims a mod used in their video as their own, if they didn't make the mod in the first place. They might not credit the author or give links to the source unless asked, but that doesn't fit the definition of stealing. At all. I'm also confused why people around here feel the need to have their name pasted everywhere their mod appears, when this forum is literally the first and probably only place you'll find the majority of Xenoverse mods on the net. Hell, it's the second result in google when you type in "Xenoverse mods". I'm speaking of the foreign people who posts videos outside this forum, and viewers who doesn't know this site at all. Obviously forumers and viewers from here, know this place and all the popular mods around. We know who we are. Them not saying anything, is as hurtful as if they where saying its their own creation, because people who doesn't know about this forum, or the true modder, will think that the one who made that video is also the creator of the mod. If they don't at least say they didn't made the featured mod (which is the least they should say, imo), then the viewer will think/credit that video creator for something they haven't done, while the true mod creator won't get any credit from it (needed or not). That, in a certain way, can be considered stealing, and maybe, disrespectful towards the original maker and the hard efforts it has taken them. Those that release things for free, don't really need incentive other than their own interest. This is not true for every modder (and also applies to YouTubers). Each has their own necessities. Some may give stuff for free without caring what happens with their mods. Others think that releasing a mod for free is a way to promote themselves to reach more people who cannot afford paying for mods. And even others, have their own source of income accounts (patreon, donations, etc), in order to promote theirselves and support their free work... Each of them has the same rights to be respected. Same goes for videos. Some YouTubers like me, we create videos (and mods) for free, to help promoting ourselves, and our mods. Other people sharing our mods without saying at least its not theirs, doesn't promote ourselves, or this forum in any way. Whether we need it or not, it has nothing to do with this. I'm not saying they have to paste our names everywhere, of course not... I'm just saying it doesn't cost anything to say (wether in video or description of it) its not their mod. That (in my opinion) is the least they should do. |
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Post by Kainzorus Prime on Jun 11, 2015 15:49:47 GMT
I have yet to encounter someone who claims a mod used in their video as their own, if they didn't make the mod in the first place. They might not credit the author or give links to the source unless asked, but that doesn't fit the definition of stealing. At all. I'm also confused why people around here feel the need to have their name pasted everywhere their mod appears, when this forum is literally the first and probably only place you'll find the majority of Xenoverse mods on the net. Hell, it's the second result in google when you type in "Xenoverse mods". I'm speaking of the foreign people who posts videos outside this forum, and viewers who doesn't know this site at all. Obviously forumers and viewers from here, know this place and all the popular mods around. We know who we are. Them not saying anything, is as hurtful as if they where saying its their own creation, because people who doesn't know about this forum, or the true modder, will think that the one who made that video is also the creator of the mod. If they don't at least say they didn't made the featured mod (which is the least they should say, imo), then the viewer will think/credit that video creator for something they haven't done, while the true mod creator won't get any credit from it (needed or not). That, in a certain way, can be considered stealing, and maybe, disrespectful towards the original maker and the hard efforts it has taken them. Those that release things for free, don't really need incentive other than their own interest. This is not true for every modder (and also applies to YouTubers). Each has their own necessities. Some may give stuff for free without caring what happens with their mods. Others think that releasing a mod for free is a way to promote themselves to reach more people who cannot afford paying for mods. And even others, have their own source of income accounts (patreon, donations, etc), in order to promote theirselves and support their free work... Each of them has the same rights to be respected. Same goes for videos. Some YouTubers like me, we create videos (and mods) for free, to help promoting ourselves, and our mods. Other people sharing our mods without saying at least its not theirs, doesn't promote ourselves, or this forum in any way. Whether we need it or not, it has nothing to do with this. I'm not saying they have to paste our names everywhere, of course not... I'm just saying it doesn't cost anything to say (wether in video or description of it) its not their mod. That (in my opinion) is the least they should do. Well, that's your opinion, and you're free to have it. I still disagree, but that's my prerogative. Like I said - people usually ask in the video comments for the info on mods used in videos, and I oblige them by linking them to the original source, through a normal human interaction. But that is my personal experience from the 1867 videos I've put out so far. |
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Post by Shenron on Jun 11, 2015 20:25:40 GMT
I'm speaking of the foreign people who posts videos outside this forum, and viewers who doesn't know this site at all. Obviously forumers and viewers from here, know this place and all the popular mods around. We know who we are. Them not saying anything, is as hurtful as if they where saying its their own creation, because people who doesn't know about this forum, or the true modder, will think that the one who made that video is also the creator of the mod. If they don't at least say they didn't made the featured mod (which is the least they should say, imo), then the viewer will think/credit that video creator for something they haven't done, while the true mod creator won't get any credit from it (needed or not). That, in a certain way, can be considered stealing, and maybe, disrespectful towards the original maker and the hard efforts it has taken them. I really don't think you're giving people enough credit here. If I'm watching a Tobuscus video where enters the Eather for instance (old example, hardly ever watch let's plays), I don't assume that means he must've made that mod. In fact, unless the video author specifically specifies that they made it, I assume they just installed an existing one, as is often the case. As for people not knowing this place; none of us did, until we found it.  I believe anyone interested will find this place, just like they would NexusMods or any other site. Let's say I saw a cool mod for instance. Googling "xenoverse pan saiyan armor" - even though that is not the name of the mod - lists Nameless' awesome mod pretty much right off the bat, right below some recent DLC news. "xenoverse ssj4 female mod" lists Igan89's post right below some videos (2 non-dbxvmods SSJ4 mod videos and one with credit). |
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Post by The Mad Titan on Jun 11, 2015 20:40:47 GMT
I am fine for people to use other people mods and promote them, as long as they don't claim them as their own. I have yet to encounter someone who claims a mod used in their video as their own, if they didn't make the mod in the first place. They might not credit the author or give links to the source unless asked, but that doesn't fit the definition of stealing. At all. I'm also confused why people around here feel the need to have their name pasted everywhere their mod appears, when this forum is literally the first and probably only place you'll find the majority of Xenoverse mods on the net. Hell, it's the second result in google when you type in "Xenoverse mods". So unless it's one of the people who are keeping their mods behind a paywall before releasing them, I might understand they want to be credited to gather more people to pay them. Those that release things for free, don't really need incentive other than their own interest. thats because i made them remove those videos or change the descriptions . |
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Post by The Mad Titan on Jun 11, 2015 20:42:44 GMT
im updating the rules today
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Post by Javituchi on Jun 11, 2015 21:41:18 GMT
Kainzorus PrimeSo I would I do too if someone askes me. But if I say it in advance, I would save the time having to reply to them everytime they ask who's the modder. Either case, that is correct too. I agree on that. ShenronIf I had never known this forum, and I see a mod I like in someone's video, someone I don't know at all, I would think its their mod if they don't say the source. And if its me the one showcasing someone else's work (I haven't done yet btw), I would feel bad with myself for not naming the creator. Its not a matter of crediting, but also to have my conscience clear I would've given credits where it truly belongs. Thats just me, though.
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Post by Kainzorus Prime on Jun 11, 2015 23:29:51 GMT
thats because i made them remove those videos or change the descriptions . I'm talking in general, since I know people here have a hard-on for being the youtube police when it comes to mods for this game. |
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Post by xpreatorianx on Jun 11, 2015 23:48:24 GMT
Kainzorus PrimeSo I would I do too if someone askes me. But if I say it in advance, I would save the time having to reply to them everytime they ask who's the modder. Either case, that is correct too. I agree on that. ShenronIf I had never known this forum, and I see a mod I like in someone's video, someone I don't know at all, I would think its their mod if they don't say the source. And if its me the one showcasing someone else's work (I haven't done yet btw), I would feel bad with myself for not naming the creator. Its not a matter of crediting, but also to have my conscience clear I would've given credits where it truly belongs. Thats just me, though. Well then that's you assuming that someone automatically uploading a video with custom content must mean they infact did it themselves. Most people (including me and the majority of people who follow games enough to want to download mods, etc) assume that if it's not a WIP video (meaning clearly indicated) that it's just a showcase video. Most of the time it's common place to even ask if you personally enjoyed the content. I know I do. I usually say "hey, who did this mod? Do ya have a link?" I'll usually put right after that, "or did you make it?" I assume someone else created it first, they created it second. That has been the common theme I've seen as well. So for you to have the inverse - is kind of odd considering the net. (no disrespect intended in this statement.) |
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I believe anyone interested will find this place, just like they would NexusMods or any other site. Let's say I saw a cool mod for instance. Googling "xenoverse pan saiyan armor" - even though that is not the name of the mod - lists Nameless' awesome mod pretty much right off the bat, right below some recent DLC news. "xenoverse ssj4 female mod" lists Igan89's post right below some videos (2 non-dbxvmods SSJ4 mod videos and one with credit).