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Post by kingarbinv on Jun 14, 2015 19:30:17 GMT
Your right, earning actual money from the game directly to profit is illegal, but using Crypto Currency as the way to profit is still Legal. All Crypto Currency except Bitcoin is considered property. So technically if the Coin2 community is spending their coins in this game all were doing is collecting "property" in exchange of a digital one. Technically we can trade the coin2 for Bitcoins, then the bitcoins for actual money.. its just jumping through a legal loophole. I'll take full responsibility if we get caught, when and if Coin2 ever becomes something other than "property", most likely it wont. and it has never been illegal to sell property. This is in the XenoVerse EULA upon use of the software You may not do any of the following: *Copy the Game except a single backup copy; *Sell, rent, record, lease, license, distribute, or otherwise transfer or make the Game available to any other person, in whole or in part, or use the Game or any part thereof in any commercial context, including but not limited to use on a commercial website, or in a service bureau, "cyber café," computer gaming center, or any other commercial location in which multiple users who have not each separately purchased the Game may access the Game program. BNGA may offer a separate site license agreement to permit you to make the Game available for commercial use; see the contact information below; *Reverse engineer, derive source code, modify, decompile, disassemble, or create derivative works of the Game or any online portion thereof, in whole or in part; *Remove, disable or circumvent any proprietary notices or labels contained on or within the Game or any online portion thereof; or *Export or re-export the Game or any copy or adaptation in violation of any applicable U.S. export restrictions or other laws or regulations. This can be found here: www.bandainamcoent.com/DBX-EULA/So technically the LibXenoVerse tools are already infringing on the EULA, so any modding to the game has already tossed it out the window.
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Post by kingarbinv on Jun 15, 2015 1:28:24 GMT
If nothing else I am writing Bandai to get their permission
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Post by dpad on Jun 15, 2015 4:15:15 GMT
Your right, earning actual money from the game directly to profit is illegal, but using Crypto Currency as the way to profit is still Legal. All Crypto Currency except Bitcoin is considered property. So technically if the Coin2 community is spending their coins in this game all were doing is collecting "property" in exchange of a digital one. Technically we can trade the coin2 for Bitcoins, then the bitcoins for actual money.. its just jumping through a legal loophole. I'll take full responsibility if we get caught, when and if Coin2 ever becomes something other than "property", most likely it wont. and it has never been illegal to sell property. This is in the XenoVerse EULA upon use of the software You may not do any of the following: *Copy the Game except a single backup copy; *Sell, rent, record, lease, license, distribute, or otherwise transfer or make the Game available to any other person, in whole or in part, or use the Game or any part thereof in any commercial context, including but not limited to use on a commercial website, or in a service bureau, "cyber café," computer gaming center, or any other commercial location in which multiple users who have not each separately purchased the Game may access the Game program. BNGA may offer a separate site license agreement to permit you to make the Game available for commercial use; see the contact information below; *Reverse engineer, derive source code, modify, decompile, disassemble, or create derivative works of the Game or any online portion thereof, in whole or in part; *Remove, disable or circumvent any proprietary notices or labels contained on or within the Game or any online portion thereof; or *Export or re-export the Game or any copy or adaptation in violation of any applicable U.S. export restrictions or other laws or regulations. This can be found here: www.bandainamcoent.com/DBX-EULA/So technically the LibXenoVerse tools are already infringing on the EULA, so any modding to the game has already tossed it out the window. Firstly, you're not going to get their permission. If they wanted to capitalize off of an MMO, they would have done so already themselves. In fact, one company already tried. You might notice that it was shut down and recycled into the game that we all play today. Secondly, if you have to try and find a loophole to do something, you probably shouldn't be doing it. Thirdly, Cryptocurrency as Property is something that applies only in the United States, as decided upon by the Internal Revenue Service. In other countries, this is far from the case. Bandai-Namco (the publishers) and Toei Animation (overseers of the IP) are not American companies, so something like this would likely be taken up on their own terms. Not to mention that, considering that there are many outlooks regarding the Spirit of the Law, this would likely be seen as a flimsy excuse in even an American court. The bottom line is that, regardless of whether or not you are trading money, Cryptocurrency, or bartering for Chickens, the negotiation of a property or a service that is not yours for any sort of reward without express permission is not legal in any context. Fourthly, yes, modding infringes on the EULA, we all know that. That's the way that things work with most games. There's a thread on it that most of us have already looked at. But the difference here is that whereas we are still modding a game that you have to buy in order to do anything with (the violation of an End-user Licence Agreement), the creation of a new game is literal theft of assets and / or intellectual property. Those two things are not comparable, and one is much more severe than the other. Lastly, no one here is interested in stealing to make a profit. On a forum where people are already up in arms regarding the "theft" or lack of credit for their mods, the last thing that anyone with a reasonable conscious is going to want to do is turn around and profit off of a program infrastructure and media franchise that they did not create. If anything, I can guarantee you that. On top of all of that, you haven't even mentioned what role you yourself would play in this whole plan. From the standpoint of an outside observer, it sounds to me like you just want a modding community to come together and make the game you want in the way that you see fit. That's not the way that game development works, and that's not the way that anyone is going to want to work on a team with other people. Again, if you're serious about this, come up with a plan, come up with your own original IP and art assets, and then come back. That's going to be something that is looked upon much more favorably in both this community and others.
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Post by kingarbinv on Jun 15, 2015 4:39:02 GMT
Expand the world a bit to allow more areas(I could help with this part) I actually did state what part I would play in this plan in my first post, I am a level designer. I am a 3D model artist, I do landscapes and buildings. Also doesn't hurt to try to get their permission regardless of whether another company has tried it already. Why so defensive all of a sudden? I mean if you don't like the idea no one is twisting your arm to do it. If I do get the permission though what then? Its obvious the game is good as it is, but could be so much better. There are a ton of changes I would like to see made that I am laying out in the letter to Bandai/Namco that they might say ok just for the sake of them not having to hire someone else to do it. This is just part of it: * Quests or Requirements to earn Transformations rather than skill drops. - Saiyans/Half-Breeds earn the SSJ transforms through fighting with an anger meter. - Nameks must fuse with other nameks - Humans have Heart multipliers that is activated during battle. - Bio-Androids can drain bio-mass from other lifeforms, but must absorb 2 Humanoid android's to attain Semi-Perfect and Perfect forms. - All races can acquire Kaioken/Unlock Potential skills by visiting King Kai or Guru respectively - All Races can become Majin except Kaioshin - Kaioshin must fuse with other Kaioshin This is a small list, but would require alot of work, like designing King Kai's planet, and Namek. Player Fusion needs a programmer, I am laying it out to them to see potential to sponser not only us working on it, but maybe creating as you state it a new game. I understand your concerns about licensing but no point in posting such nonsense about them not even considering it when it never hurts to try and going about it the legal way means no lawsuits can come our way. Btw the programmer that I know that seems interested wants to know if you guys would rather work on DBO instead since that is the game you speak of when you say "one company already tried" he has a copy of the source. I just would rather try to get Bandai to let us use DBXV instead because I translated all of the language files to english and it was a real pain, half of the game is still in Korean.
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Post by dpad on Jun 15, 2015 6:07:53 GMT
I'm defensive because you're asking a community of hobbyists to help you profit off of something that is not yours. That can get people in way too much trouble. It's dangerous. That's what I'm trying to tell you here. As you already stated, we're violating the EULA left and right in here. The last thing that needs to happen is more developers shutting down access to their game files because people try to do things like what you're proposing, which isn't even that simple to begin with.
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Post by kingarbinv on Jun 15, 2015 6:21:16 GMT
That is why I decided to try and get their permission, its worth a shot if anything, and if nothing else DBO is an option, if anyone would like to try that instead my friend is more comfortable with it.
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Post by kingarbinv on Jun 15, 2015 10:55:36 GMT
Ok anyone who wants to help can.. decided to just go with DBO, using AKCore, my friend is one of the creators of AKCore btw, Kalisto. He is going to create a toolset to make working on it as easy as possible. He said the world builder still needs to be fixed so it compiles correctly, but for now he is going to do a temporary fix to get us going. Most of the game is still in Korean and the translations to english are kinda not good, but he says the Taiwan files have better english translations, so he will be swapping them out. IF anyone is interested in helping pm me.
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Post by xi5xi5 on Jun 15, 2015 16:57:10 GMT
There was a Dragonball Online game released in Korea couple of years back but it shut down, the character models and are if not the same as the ones in Xenoverse.
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Post by kingarbinv on Jun 15, 2015 19:59:25 GMT
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