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Post by The Mad Titan on Jun 3, 2015 10:02:33 GMT
Shenron I understand your concern but this is for modders. If a youtuber want to make a video of a mod he wants to showcase , it shouldnt be a problem for them to send the modder a msg saying "hey i like you x mod , can i showcase it?I will credit you" . if you do that its simple enough. the best joy a modder can have is to see other poeple enjoy their mods. but most youtubers have no concern for modders. if they can come here and take their sweet time finding the best mods, they should be able to do this . not a big deal. this is not a restriction. its a measure taken to prevent things like that. In line with what Shenron said actually, it's entirely possible that people aren't getting their mods from here anyway. I remember a lot of the time when people were modding Warcraft, and even more recently when people were modding Skyrim, they just passed the files along to their friends, and if people wanted to share them with the public, they just threw them up on a file sharing website or Dropbox or something. Sure, there were these giant collections like Nexusmods and the Steam Workshop, but, as hard as it might be to believe, some people were still unaware of or simply did not use those services. So it might be worth keeping in mind that people might not be coming here for their mods anyway. Not to mention that anything outside of this forum can't really be enforced anyway, because this is The Internet. Sure, maybe around here it would be nice for everyone to share and credit and all that, but if people that aren't affiliated with the forum are sharing mods on YouTube, there's practically nothing that can be done. we have a community here. we can simply dislike them . but yes , there are events where mods are passed through friends most of the time. this is only rule for the people who are not emphatic. if they have any humility, they would credit the modder out of habit or gratitude . |
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Post by Shenron on Jun 3, 2015 10:38:49 GMT
The Mad Titan I get that, but I am also - even mainly - considering videos of people just playing, who happen to have mods installed. Once you release a mod it is exactly that, released. This means that it is also somewhat out of your control now. And again, I accept and support that some modders may want attribution, or set up usage guidelines like "don't use this model for 18+ purposes", but ultimately that will be impossible to control, and you are left to the mercy and decency of your users. I think dpad raises some valid points as well, and I believe it should be taken into consideration. Enforcing attribution or link-backs on this site would be perfectly valid and fair imho, but right now the following scenario could take place: - Someone uploads a mod with the sole intention of people using it, doesn't require attribution or permission.
- XxStreamer1337xX upload a video with said mod in it.
- The video gets takedown request from well-meaning members of this community for not crediting our John Doe.
I hope I'm not sounding too abbrasive with my posts, but this is just one of those things that I strongly about, and feel could be made better for everyone's sake. I agree with the sentiment, but I feel turning it into a forum-wide, ultimately unenforcable rule diminishes the value of rules themselves, as well as the experience here for users, and even creators like myself (soon) who would not require attribution or permission requests. Maybe I'm just being pedantic here, but my main issue lies with the fact that these forum rules can have unintended implications both inside, but more importantly also outside the forum. Hence my suggestion to heavily shift responsibility on this issue to the mod creators. If nothing else, I would request to at least make the rule a little less absolute; something like: This is definitely steering towards pedantism, but as it stands credits are an unwaivering requirement for any video usage. Apologies for all the long posts! A quick edit to respond to a line in the post made while I was typing: I think this is the culture we should be encouraging. =) And we can certainly motivate or inspire people to do so, but right now the main incentive is likely to be "rule no. 8". In the case of friends passing on mods though, chances are the receiving friend simply doesn't care where it came from (user perspective), so in that case it's not so much about empathy, but rather individual mindset.
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Post by The Mad Titan on Jun 3, 2015 10:52:55 GMT
Shenron . yes thats the culture I want to see.. anyone can freely upload a video of themselves playing with the mod. as they are free to use. but like the post you quoted most people are not that mature. hence the rule was enforced to cover that aspect in general. When Mastaklo get back we can discuss further on how to deal with this further. We dont want modders to get discouraged from modding anymore because of the way people behave. that is also a reason why the rule was enforced. it is quite fair. but i see what you mean and i personally agree with you eventhough I was the one who asked our admin to add this rule.We could certainly work on the wording once mastaklo gets back.But for now this is a general rule that applies to all. That was just an immediate measure taken by use to deal with the situation on hand at the time of the enforcement of that rule. I hope you understand.
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Post by Shenron on Jun 3, 2015 11:00:42 GMT
The Mad Titan Of course! Like I said, I fully agree with the sentiment of the rule, and if it's a solution that solves some immediate problems, then that's absolutely the right course to take! Having a discussion about the rule is all I could ask for. I would just hate to see a band-aid solution turn into a restrictive cast with negative side effects. =) On a sidenote, this has got to have been the most pleasant mod experience I've ever had, as well as one the most civilized forum debates, so thank you!
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Post by Yusion on Jun 3, 2015 21:07:38 GMT
I meant to read through this and comment earlier.
@sheonr, while I cannot speak for everyone, I will speak for myself. I am perfectly fine with people using my mods in videos and stuff. My problem starts when you are re-uploading it and redistributing it in the description of said video without crediting me and linking back to my thread. I've seen a couple of videos showing off my colorable clothing mods. They didn't ask permission, but at the same time they linked my thread and credited me. ImmaSSaiyan and breakITdown being the one's I'm talking about, at least that I've seen.
I'm perfectly fine with this as both of them credited me in the video description and even linked to my thread. Actually it makes me happy because it means my work was enjoyed by others so much that they wanted to make a video about it and tell others. For that I even respect them for taking the time to credit me. Even ImmaSSaiyan took the time to credit everyone who's mods he showcased in the description. It's just the redistributing in gigapacks and stuff without crediting me or anyone else that I have a problem with.
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Post by darksoku on Jun 4, 2015 8:48:32 GMT
This is a great idea that I support you guys!
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Post by The Mad Titan on Jun 4, 2015 15:20:35 GMT
Benua2000 the person who got permabanned from the forum is pulling a suicide attack. show some love for the Modders and the forum by disliking his video and reporting it to youtube and mediafire please. kthxbai Mastaklo lawlaw Yusion HeirTalent Xan darksokuI expect your participation on taking this down.all of you guys , even the ones i forgot to tag. This guy has no regards for modders and the description begins with fuck the modders. so there we go
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Post by HeirTalent on Jun 4, 2015 15:42:40 GMT
WHAT THE......... @@@@!! It's Crazy man . We need serious about this issue . Red alarm
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Post by The Mad Titan on Jun 4, 2015 15:45:20 GMT
WHAT THE......... @@@@!! It's Crazy man . We need serious about this issue . Red alarm
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I know right. I think Mastaklo has to send a PM to everybody in the group redirecting them to this thread. ANd please no more probationary bans please.allow us to permaban idiots like this. this ungrateful idiot PS -im not voiolating a rule since this guy is no longer a member of our forum |
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Post by kthxbai on Jun 4, 2015 15:52:28 GMT
Benua2000 the person who got permabanned from the forum is pulling a suicide attack. show some love for the Modders and the forum by disliking his video and reporting it to youtube and mediafire please. kthxbai Mastaklo lawlaw Yusion HeirTalent Xan darksokuI expect your participation on taking this down.all of you guys , even the ones i forgot to tag. This guy has no regards for modders and the description begins with fuck the modders. so there we go Seriously? What an idiot. Some people do not know when to quit, report the video and get his Youtube account banned. |
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Post by The Mad Titan on Jun 4, 2015 15:54:59 GMT
kthxbai yes i reported it for violence and hate... People need to see this. we give people too many chances
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Post by HeirTalent on Jun 4, 2015 16:00:47 GMT
kthxbai yes i reported it for violence and hate... People need to see this. sigh . we give people too many chances I reported it , at present we can only do so  |
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Post by HeirTalent on Jun 4, 2015 16:03:24 GMT
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Post by eacab on Jun 4, 2015 16:37:45 GMT
jesus with this much mod stealing going around maybe mastaklo should add a section specifically for posting videos to report lol.
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Post by Komodo on Jun 4, 2015 17:44:32 GMT
This guy HAS to be a troll. Only like so far is me. I feel bad I didn't ask the "Comunity" for permission to create mods.
Guys am I allowed to create mods... just sayin'?
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